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Newsletter, podcast, YouTube channel and courses teaching creators to build trust-based businesses.
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Jay Clouse vs Pat Flynn
Products, revenue & stack compared side by side.
Founder of Creator Science, teaching creators to build businesses through experiments
@jayclouse United States
Founder of Smart Passive Income, author of Will It Fly? and Superfans, Pokémon YouTuber
@PatFlynn United States
Jay Clouse vs Pat Flynn at a glance
Both Jay Clouse and Pat Flynn are bootstrapped, build in public and have sold at least one product. They overlap in Creators & Writers, Educators & Course Creators and Community Builders. Jay is based in Columbus, United States, Pat in San Diego, United States. Jay started in 2017 and Pat in 2008. Jay Clouse has 4 products listed on IndieMakerList vs Pat Flynn's 3. Jay has sold 1 product and Pat the same number. On X, Jay has about 56K followers and Pat about 171K.
Side-by-side comparison
- Based in
- Jay Clouse: Columbus, United States
- Pat Flynn: San Diego, United States
- Started
- Jay Clouse: 2017 (9 yrs indie)
- Pat Flynn: 2008 (18 yrs indie)
- Revenue (self-reported)
- Jay Clouse: Not public
- Pat Flynn: Not public
- Products listed
- Jay Clouse: 4
- Pat Flynn: 3
- Product status
- Jay Clouse: 3 active · 1 acquired
- Pat Flynn: 2 active · 1 acquired
- X followers
- Jay Clouse: 56K
- Pat Flynn: 171K
- Categories
- Jay Clouse: Creators & WritersEducators & Course CreatorsCommunity BuildersAcquirers & Indie Investors
- Pat Flynn: Creators & WritersEducators & Course CreatorsCommunity Builders
- Style
- Jay Clouse: bootstrappedbuilds in publicexited
- Pat Flynn: bootstrappedbuilds in publicexited
- Courses & resources
- Jay Clouse: 5
- Pat Flynn: 6
Revenue figures are self-reported by each maker and not audited; dates and scope differ. Highlighted categories are shared by both.
Top products
The Lab
creatorscience.com
Application-based membership community for full-time professional creators.
CreatorHQ
creatorscience.com
All-in-one Notion workspace and operating system for running a creator business.
Cohort-based virtual accelerator and community for creators, acquired by Smart Passive Income.
Online business education brand with a blog, podcast, courses and membership community.
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SwitchPod
switchpod.co
Handheld tripod designed for vloggers and content creators, which Flynn co-invented.
Deep Pocket Monster
youtube.com
YouTube channel about Pokémon card collecting and the hobby's history.
Tech stack
No tools in common in their publicly listed stacks. See the indie maker tech stack.
No stack shared publicly.
No stack shared publicly.
How they build
- Everything you publish is an experiment you can learn from.
- Trust, not attention, is the real currency of a creator business.
- Sustainable pacing beats hustle-culture burnout.
- Build a signature product designed for your specific audience.
- Focus on creating community, not just building an audience.
- Serve your audience first; generosity builds trust and income follows.
- Validate an idea with real customers before building it out.
- Be transparent about results, including failures.
- Work hard up front on systems that keep paying off later.
- Turn an audience into superfans by caring about their success.
Learn from Jay and Pat
- [newsletter] Creator Science newsletter
- [podcast] Creator Science podcast
- [youtube] Jay Clouse on YouTube
- [course] Creator Science courses
- [template] CreatorHQ · $297
- [podcast] Smart Passive Income Podcast
- [book] Will It Fly?
- [book] Superfans
- [book] Lean Learning
- [course] Power-Up Podcasting
- [youtube] Deep Pocket Monster
Jay Clouse vs Pat Flynn FAQ
Who makes more money, Jay Clouse or Pat Flynn?
Neither Jay Clouse nor Pat Flynn has publicly reported a revenue figure that IndieMakerList tracks, so it's not public.
Who has built more products, Jay Clouse or Pat Flynn?
Jay Clouse has 4 products listed (including Creator Science, The Lab and CreatorHQ); Pat Flynn has 3 products listed (Smart Passive Income, SwitchPod and Deep Pocket Monster).
Where are Jay Clouse and Pat Flynn based?
Jay Clouse: Columbus, United States. Pat Flynn: San Diego, United States.
Who has been an indie maker longer, Jay Clouse or Pat Flynn?
Jay Clouse started in 2017 (9 years indie); Pat Flynn started in 2008 (18 years indie).
Are Jay Clouse and Pat Flynn bootstrapped?
Yes, both are listed as bootstrapped founders on IndieMakerList.
Full profiles
Read the full story, timeline and links on Jay Clouse's profile and Pat Flynn's profile.
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