Online business education brand with a blog, podcast, courses and membership community.
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Pat Flynn vs Shawn Wang (swyx)
Products, revenue & stack compared side by side.
Founder of Smart Passive Income, author of Will It Fly? and Superfans, Pokémon YouTuber
@PatFlynn United States
Pat Flynn vs Shawn Wang (swyx) at a glance
Both Pat Flynn and Shawn Wang (swyx) build in public. They overlap in Creators & Writers, Educators & Course Creators and Community Builders. Pat is based in San Diego, United States, Shawn in San Francisco, United States. Pat Flynn has 3 products listed on IndieMakerList vs Shawn Wang (swyx)'s 3. Pat has sold 1 product. On X, Pat has about 171K followers and Shawn about 201K.
Side-by-side comparison
- Based in
- Pat Flynn: San Diego, United States
- Shawn Wang (swyx): San Francisco, United States
- Started
- Pat Flynn: 2008 (18 yrs indie)
- Shawn Wang (swyx): —
- Revenue (self-reported)
- Pat Flynn: Not public
- Shawn Wang (swyx): Not public
- Products listed
- Pat Flynn: 3
- Shawn Wang (swyx): 3
- Product status
- Pat Flynn: 2 active · 1 acquired
- Shawn Wang (swyx): 3 active
- X followers
- Pat Flynn: 171K
- Shawn Wang (swyx): 201K
- Categories
- Pat Flynn: Creators & WritersEducators & Course CreatorsCommunity Builders
- Shawn Wang (swyx): Educators & Course CreatorsCreators & WritersAI BuildersCommunity Builders
- Style
- Pat Flynn: bootstrappedbuilds in publicexited
- Shawn Wang (swyx): builds in public
- Courses & resources
- Pat Flynn: 6
- Shawn Wang (swyx): 4
Revenue figures are self-reported by each maker and not audited; dates and scope differ. Highlighted categories are shared by both.
Top products
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SwitchPod
switchpod.co
Handheld tripod designed for vloggers and content creators, which Flynn co-invented.
Deep Pocket Monster
youtube.com
YouTube channel about Pokémon card collecting and the hobby's history.
Latent Space
latent.space
Podcast and newsletter for AI engineers.
AI Engineer
ai.engineer
Conferences and community for AI engineers.
smol.ai
smol.ai
AI company behind the AINews daily digest of AI discussions.
Tech stack
No tools in common in their publicly listed stacks. See the indie maker tech stack.
No stack shared publicly.
No stack shared publicly.
How they build
- Serve your audience first; generosity builds trust and income follows.
- Validate an idea with real customers before building it out.
- Be transparent about results, including failures.
- Work hard up front on systems that keep paying off later.
- Turn an audience into superfans by caring about their success.
- Learn in public: create the learning exhaust you wish you had found.
- Pick up what others put down — help with neglected work to get noticed.
- Name emerging roles and communities early.
Learn from Pat and Shawn
- [podcast] Smart Passive Income Podcast
- [book] Will It Fly?
- [book] Superfans
- [book] Lean Learning
- [course] Power-Up Podcasting
- [youtube] Deep Pocket Monster
- [book] The Coding Career Handbook
- [podcast] Latent Space · Free
- [newsletter] AINews by smol.ai · Free
- [template] Learn In Public essay · Free
Pat Flynn vs Shawn Wang (swyx) FAQ
Who makes more money, Pat Flynn or Shawn Wang (swyx)?
Neither Pat Flynn nor Shawn Wang (swyx) has publicly reported a revenue figure that IndieMakerList tracks, so it's not public.
Who has built more products, Pat Flynn or Shawn Wang (swyx)?
Pat Flynn has 3 products listed (Smart Passive Income, SwitchPod and Deep Pocket Monster); Shawn Wang (swyx) has 3 products listed (Latent Space, AI Engineer and smol.ai).
Where are Pat Flynn and Shawn Wang (swyx) based?
Pat Flynn: San Diego, United States. Shawn Wang (swyx): San Francisco, United States.
Who has been an indie maker longer, Pat Flynn or Shawn Wang (swyx)?
Pat Flynn started in 2008 (18 years indie); Shawn Wang (swyx)'s start year isn't listed.
Are Pat Flynn and Shawn Wang (swyx) bootstrapped?
Pat Flynn is listed as bootstrapped; Shawn Wang (swyx) isn't tagged as bootstrapped on IndieMakerList.
Full profiles
Read the full story, timeline and links on Pat Flynn's profile and Shawn Wang (swyx)'s profile.
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