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Newsletter, podcast, YouTube channel and courses teaching creators to build trust-based businesses.
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Jay Clouse vs Rob Walling
Products, revenue & stack compared side by side.
Founder of Creator Science, teaching creators to build businesses through experiments
@jayclouse United States
Drip founder, MicroConf and TinySeed co-founder, host of Startups for the Rest of Us
@robwalling United States
Jay Clouse vs Rob Walling at a glance
Both Jay Clouse and Rob Walling are bootstrapped and have sold at least one product. They overlap in Educators & Course Creators, Community Builders and Acquirers & Indie Investors. Jay is based in Columbus, United States, Rob in Minneapolis, United States. Jay Clouse has 4 products listed on IndieMakerList vs Rob Walling's 3. Jay has sold 1 product and Rob the same number. On X, Jay has about 56K followers and Rob about 41K.
Side-by-side comparison
- Based in
- Jay Clouse: Columbus, United States
- Rob Walling: Minneapolis, United States
- Started
- Jay Clouse: 2017 (9 yrs indie)
- Rob Walling: —
- Revenue (self-reported)
- Jay Clouse: Not public
- Rob Walling: Not public
- Products listed
- Jay Clouse: 4
- Rob Walling: 3
- Product status
- Jay Clouse: 3 active · 1 acquired
- Rob Walling: 2 active · 1 acquired
- X followers
- Jay Clouse: 56K
- Rob Walling: 41K
- Categories
- Jay Clouse: Creators & WritersEducators & Course CreatorsCommunity BuildersAcquirers & Indie Investors
- Rob Walling: SaaS FoundersEducators & Course CreatorsAcquirers & Indie InvestorsCommunity Builders
- Style
- Jay Clouse: bootstrappedbuilds in publicexited
- Rob Walling: bootstrappedexitedserial maker
- Courses & resources
- Jay Clouse: 5
- Rob Walling: 4
Revenue figures are self-reported by each maker and not audited; dates and scope differ. Highlighted categories are shared by both.
Top products
The Lab
creatorscience.com
Application-based membership community for full-time professional creators.
CreatorHQ
creatorscience.com
All-in-one Notion workspace and operating system for running a creator business.
Cohort-based virtual accelerator and community for creators, acquired by Smart Passive Income.
Tech stack
No tools in common in their publicly listed stacks. See the indie maker tech stack.
No stack shared publicly.
No stack shared publicly.
How they build
- Everything you publish is an experiment you can learn from.
- Trust, not attention, is the real currency of a creator business.
- Sustainable pacing beats hustle-culture burnout.
- Build a signature product designed for your specific audience.
- Focus on creating community, not just building an audience.
- Start small: begin with tiny products before attempting a big SaaS (the stair-step approach).
- You do not need venture capital to build a meaningful, life-changing SaaS.
- Focus relentlessly on one product and one marketing channel that works.
- Pick B2B niches where customers pay for a painful problem.
- Optimize for freedom, relationships and purpose, not just valuation.
Learn from Jay and Rob
- [newsletter] Creator Science newsletter
- [podcast] Creator Science podcast
- [youtube] Jay Clouse on YouTube
- [course] Creator Science courses
- [template] CreatorHQ · $297
- [book] The SaaS Playbook
- [book] Start Small, Stay Small
- [podcast] Startups for the Rest of Us
- [community] MicroConf
Jay Clouse vs Rob Walling FAQ
Who makes more money, Jay Clouse or Rob Walling?
Neither Jay Clouse nor Rob Walling has publicly reported a revenue figure that IndieMakerList tracks, so it's not public.
Who has built more products, Jay Clouse or Rob Walling?
Jay Clouse has 4 products listed (including Creator Science, The Lab and CreatorHQ); Rob Walling has 3 products listed (TinySeed, MicroConf and Drip).
Where are Jay Clouse and Rob Walling based?
Jay Clouse: Columbus, United States. Rob Walling: Minneapolis, United States.
Who has been an indie maker longer, Jay Clouse or Rob Walling?
Jay Clouse started in 2017 (9 years indie); Rob Walling's start year isn't listed.
Are Jay Clouse and Rob Walling bootstrapped?
Yes, both are listed as bootstrapped founders on IndieMakerList.
Full profiles
Read the full story, timeline and links on Jay Clouse's profile and Rob Walling's profile.
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