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Brett Williams vs Nathan Barry

Products, revenue & stack compared side by side.

Brett Williams

Solo designer running Designjoy, a $1M+/yr one-person design subscription

@BrettFromDJ United States

Nathan Barry

Founder of Kit (ConvertKit), bootstrapped from a failing side project to $1M+ MRR

@nathanbarry United States

Brett Williams vs Nathan Barry at a glance

Both Brett Williams and Nathan Barry are bootstrapped and build in public. They overlap in Educators & Course Creators. Brett is based in Phoenix, United States, Nathan in Boise, United States. Brett started in 2017 and Nathan in 2012. Brett Williams has 4 products listed on IndieMakerList vs Nathan Barry's 1. On revenue, Brett self-reports $100K MRR (Designjoy) + $12K MRR (Productize Yourself) (as of 2026) and Nathan $1.19M MRR (ConvertKit) (as of 2019). On X, Brett has about 171K followers and Nathan about 152K.

Side-by-side comparison

Based in: Brett Williams: Phoenix, United States; Nathan Barry: Boise, United States
Started: Brett Williams: 2017 (9 yrs indie); Nathan Barry: 2012 (14 yrs indie)
Revenue (self-reported): Brett Williams: $100K MRR (Designjoy) + $12K MRR (Productize Yourself)self-reported, as of 2026 · source for Brett Williams's revenue; Nathan Barry: $1.19M MRR (ConvertKit)self-reported, as of 2019 · source for Nathan Barry's revenue
Products listed: Brett Williams: 4; Nathan Barry: 1
Product status: Brett Williams: 4 active; Nathan Barry: 1 active
X followers: Brett Williams: 171K; Nathan Barry: 152K
Categories: Brett Williams: Productized Services Design Tools Educators & Course Creators; Nathan Barry: SaaS Founders Marketing & SEO Tools Creators & Writers Educators & Course Creators
Style: Brett Williams: solobootstrappedbuilds in public; Nathan Barry: bootstrappedbuilds in public
Courses & resources: Brett Williams: 1; Nathan Barry: 4

Revenue figures are self-reported by each maker and not audited; dates and scope differ. Highlighted categories are shared by both.

Tech stack

No tools in common in their publicly listed stacks. See the indie maker tech stack.

Brett Williams

TrelloWebflowStripe

Nathan Barry

No stack shared publicly.

How they build

Brett Williams

Productize a service with a flat monthly price instead of quoting projects.
When demand outgrows capacity, raise prices rather than hire.
Stay small and keep the margins.

Nathan Barry

Teach everything you know and work in public.
Pick a narrow niche first, then expand once you win it.
Direct sales and concierge onboarding can unlock early SaaS growth.
Stay independent so you answer only to customers.
Consistent creation compounds into authority over time.

Learn from Brett and Nathan

Brett Williams

[course] Productize Yourself

Nathan Barry

Brett Williams vs Nathan Barry FAQ

Who makes more money, Brett Williams or Nathan Barry?

Brett Williams self-reports $100K MRR (Designjoy) + $12K MRR (Productize Yourself) (as of 2026) and Nathan Barry self-reports $1.19M MRR (ConvertKit) (as of 2019). By these self-reported figures, Nathan Barry's reported monthly revenue is higher. Figures are unaudited and may cover different periods or businesses, so treat them as rough indicators.

Who has built more products, Brett Williams or Nathan Barry?

Brett Williams has 4 products listed (including Designjoy, Productize Yourself and GatherOS); Nathan Barry has 1 product listed (Kit (formerly ConvertKit)).