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Brett Williams vs Meng To

Products, revenue & stack compared side by side.

Brett Williams

Solo designer running Designjoy, a $1M+/yr one-person design subscription

@BrettFromDJ United States

Meng To

Designer behind Design+Code, teaching designers to code, now building the AI builder Aura

@MengTo Singapore

Brett Williams vs Meng To at a glance

Both Brett Williams and Meng To are bootstrapped. They overlap in Design Tools and Educators & Course Creators. Brett is based in Phoenix, United States, Meng in Singapore. Brett started in 2017 and Meng in 2014. Brett Williams has 4 products listed on IndieMakerList vs Meng To's 6. On revenue, Brett self-reports $100K MRR (Designjoy) + $12K MRR (Productize Yourself) (as of 2026) and Meng $1M+/yr (all products) (as of 2026). On X, Brett has about 171K followers and Meng about 189K.

Side-by-side comparison

Based in: Brett Williams: Phoenix, United States; Meng To: Singapore
Started: Brett Williams: 2017 (9 yrs indie); Meng To: 2014 (12 yrs indie)
Revenue (self-reported): Brett Williams: $100K MRR (Designjoy) + $12K MRR (Productize Yourself)self-reported, as of 2026 · source for Brett Williams's revenue; Meng To: $1M+/yr (all products)self-reported, as of 2026 · source for Meng To's revenue
Products listed: Brett Williams: 4; Meng To: 6
Product status: Brett Williams: 4 active; Meng To: 6 active
X followers: Brett Williams: 171K; Meng To: 189K
Categories: Brett Williams: Productized Services Design Tools Educators & Course Creators; Meng To: Educators & Course Creators Design Tools AI Builders
Style: Brett Williams: solobootstrappedbuilds in public; Meng To: bootstrappedserial maker
Courses & resources: Brett Williams: 1; Meng To: 3

Revenue figures are self-reported by each maker and not audited; dates and scope differ. Highlighted categories are shared by both.

Tech stack

No tools in common in their publicly listed stacks. See the indie maker tech stack.

Brett Williams

TrelloWebflowStripe

Meng To

SwiftSwiftUIReactFigmathree.jsTailwind CSS

How they build

Brett Williams

Productize a service with a flat monthly price instead of quoting projects.
When demand outgrows capacity, raise prices rather than hire.
Stay small and keep the margins.

Meng To

Designers don't need to code like engineers but should understand how code works.
Prototype in the real medium so design work makes it into the final product.
Teach by building real projects step by step.
Keep adapting the curriculum to whatever tools designers are adopting next.

Learn from Brett and Meng

Brett Williams

[course] Productize Yourself

Meng To

[course] Design+Code courses
[book] Design+Code: From Sketch to Xcode
[template] ThreeUI · Free (Community) / paid Pro

Brett Williams vs Meng To FAQ

Who makes more money, Brett Williams or Meng To?

Brett Williams self-reports $100K MRR (Designjoy) + $12K MRR (Productize Yourself) (as of 2026) and Meng To self-reports $1M+/yr (all products) (as of 2026). By these self-reported figures, Brett Williams' reported monthly revenue is higher. Figures are unaudited and may cover different periods or businesses, so treat them as rough indicators.

Who has built more products, Brett Williams or Meng To?

Brett Williams has 4 products listed (including Designjoy, Productize Yourself and GatherOS); Meng To has 6 products listed (including Design+Code, Aura and Spring).

What tech stack do Brett Williams and Meng To use?

Brett Williams uses Trello, Webflow and Stripe. Meng To uses Swift, SwiftUI, React, Figma, three.js and Tailwind CSS. They don't list any tools in common.