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Courtland Allen vs Pat Walls

Products, revenue & stack compared side by side.

Courtland Allen

Founder of Indie Hackers, the community and podcast that named the movement

@csallen United States

Pat Walls

Founder of Starter Story, the founder case-study brand acquired by HubSpot in 2026

@thepatwalls United States

Courtland Allen vs Pat Walls at a glance

Both Courtland Allen and Pat Walls build in public and have sold at least one product. They overlap in Creators & Writers and Educators & Course Creators. Both are based in United States. Courtland started in 2016 and Pat in 2017. Courtland Allen has 1 product listed on IndieMakerList vs Pat Walls' 2. Pat has sold 1 product. Pat self-reports $1M/yr (as of 2023); Courtland hasn't shared a revenue figure publicly. On X, Courtland has about 71K followers and Pat about 143K.

Side-by-side comparison

Based in: Courtland Allen: United States; Pat Walls: United States
Started: Courtland Allen: 2016 (10 yrs indie); Pat Walls: 2017 (9 yrs indie)
Revenue (self-reported): Courtland Allen: Not public; Pat Walls: $1M/yrself-reported, as of 2023 · source for Pat Walls's revenue
Products listed: Courtland Allen: 1; Pat Walls: 2
Product status: Courtland Allen: 1 active; Pat Walls: 1 active · 1 acquired
X followers: Courtland Allen: 71K; Pat Walls: 143K
Categories: Courtland Allen: Community Builders Creators & Writers Educators & Course Creators; Pat Walls: Creators & Writers Educators & Course Creators Directory Makers
Style: Courtland Allen: duobuilds in publicexited; Pat Walls: bootstrappedbuilds in publicexited
Courses & resources: Courtland Allen: 3; Pat Walls: 4

Revenue figures are self-reported by each maker and not audited; dates and scope differ. Highlighted categories are shared by both.

Tech stack

No tools in common in their publicly listed stacks. See the indie maker tech stack.

Courtland Allen

AstroNode.jsFirebaseRenderCloudflare

Pat Walls

Ruby on Rails

How they build

Courtland Allen

Your main job as a founder is simply not to quit — longevity gives ideas time to work.
Transparency about real numbers is what makes founder stories genuinely useful.
Start small and profitable rather than chasing scale from day one.
Community is a product: give people a place to share progress and help each other.

Pat Walls

Distribution matters more than the product — find one channel that works, then find the next one as you grow.
Consistent daily deep work over a long period beats bursts of hustle.
Eventually you have to pick one idea and go all-in instead of juggling many projects.
Be radically transparent about numbers — real revenue makes content stand out.
Build a business to change your life, not to become your life; rest to stay in the game.